Request ID: FOI-3071-2324 Date published: 12 December 2023
You asked
Dear FOI team
I'd like to request some of the specifications for incoming 2024 Stock ordered for the Piccadilly Line. In particular I would like to know:
* Capacity (Seated + Standing at what density)
* Total Floor Area (m^2)
* Total Train Length (mm)
* Type and length of each carriage in a 9 car train. (mm)
* Maximum Design Speed (kph and mph)
* Doorway Widths (mm)
* Number of spaces for wheelchairs users, and their location(s) within the train.
* Total train weight, empty, and when at capacity. (Kg)
I would also like to know the above for the existing 1973 stock, but if it is too much to obtain, I will limit this request to the 24 stock.
With all the best,
We answered
TfL Ref: FOI-3071-2324
Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 27th November 2023 asking for information about rolling stock on the Piccadilly Line.
Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act and our information access policy.
Specifically you asked:
“I'd like to request some of the specifications for incoming 2024 Stock ordered for the Piccadilly Line. In particular I would like to know: * Capacity (Seated + Standing at what density) * Total Floor Area (m^2) * Total Train Length (mm) * Type and length of each carriage in a 9 car train. (mm) * Maximum Design Speed (kph and mph) * Doorway Widths (mm) * Number of spaces for wheelchairs users, and their location(s) within the train. * Total train weight, empty, and when at capacity. (Kg) I would also like to know the above for the existing 1973 stock, but if it is too much to obtain, I will limit this request to the 24 stock.”
I can confirm that we hold the information you require.
For the new Siemens 24 Tube Stock, the figures are as follows:
Capacity: Seated: 256 (including 24 Tip Up seats) + Standing: 624 (at 5 per m²) = Total of 880
* Total Floor Area (m² ) 124.7m² * Total Train Length (mm) 113000mm over body ends * Type and length of each carriage in a 9 car train. (mm) - Key: DM = Driving Motor Car, IM = Intermediate Motor Car, KM = Key Motor Car:
* Maximum Design Speed (kph and mph) – 100 km/h (60mph) * Doorway Widths (mm) – 1690mm * Total train weight, empty, and when at capacity (Kg): Tare (empty) = 155,401 Kg. Crush laden = 259,719 Kg (latest Siemens estimates). * Number of spaces for wheelchairs users, and their location(s) within the train:
4 wheelchair spaces per 9 car train. Located as below:
1 Wheelchair space in 3rd (KM1) Car 2 Wheelchair spaces in 5th (KM2) Car 1 Wheelchair space in 7th (KM1) Car
For the existing 1973 Tube stock, the figures are as follows:
Capacity Seated: 228 + Standing: 570 (at 5 per m² ) = Total of 798
* Total Floor Area (m² ) = 114m² * Total Train Length (mm) 106800mm over body ends * Type and length of each carriage in a 6 car train (mm) - Key: DM = Driving Motor Car; T = Trailer car; UNDM = Uncoupling Non-driving Motor car::
* Maximum Design Speed (kph and mph) – 100km/h (60mph) * Doorway Widths (mm) – 1370mm * Number of spaces for wheelchairs: None * Total train weight, empty, and when at capacity (Kg): Tare (empty) = 156,930 Kg. Crush laden 233,880 Kg
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Yours sincerely,
David Wells FOI Case Officer FOI Case Management Team General Counsel Transport for London
