FOI request detail

Questions about the New Tube for London/Siemens Inspiro/London Underground 2024 Stock for the Piccadilly line

Request ID: FOI-2143-2425
Date published: 31 October 2024

You asked

Hello TFL A user on X (formerly Twitter) posted content in relation to the New Tube for London plan from 2014; as we are 10 years ahead of the plan, I have questions about it because there's so much information that has not been mentioned by the press release and the media. https://x.com/CLondoner92/status/1841885933475672528 https://x.com/CLondoner92/status/1735829004479873129 1. Why has the design of the interior (such as handrail colours, seat moquette, etc.) changed from 2014 New Tube for London to the present day 2024 Tube Stock? 2. Have any of the disability groups (including wheelchair users) been invited to evaluate and test the 2024 Tube Stock? 3. Will the new 2024 Tube Stock be able to have luggage racks fitted to reduce obstruction for passengers? 4. Will the new 2024 Tube Stock be fully driverless like the DLR? 5. Will the Piccadilly line have new signal systems, including the communications-based train control (CBTC) for the new 2024 Tube Stock? 6. Will the stations serving the new 2024 Tube Stock have new Platform Screen/Edge Doors fitted (including level boarding) in accordance with your original 2014 plan? 7. When will the 2024 Tube Stock be rolled out to the Bakerloo, Central and Waterloo & City lines, in accordance with your 2014 plan? 8. Have there been plans to upgrade Neasden London Underground Train Depot, as part of the rolling stock replacement for the Bakerloo line, including the extension to Lewisham and beyond to Hayes and Beckenham Junction? 9. Are there plans to make the New Tube for London/Siemens Inspiro a standardised deep level rolling stock for all the lines, including the Jubilee, Northern and Victoria lines, just like the S7 and S8 Stock for the Sub Surface lines? I'd be grateful if you could provide answers to my questions.

We answered

Our ref: FOI-2143-2425

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 04 October 2024 asking for information about the 2024 Tube Stock.

 

Your request has been considered under the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and our information access policy. 

 

I can confirm that we do hold the information you require. You asked:

 

1.Why has the design of the interior (such as handrail colours, seat moquette, etc.) changed from 2014 New Tube for London to the present day 2024 Tube Stock?

 

The original interior colour scheme was produced at the concept design stage for a generic, multi-line train. TfL has since developed this to improve consistency for customers, and to align with corporate design standards, branding and accessibility requirements. The colour palette for the new Piccadilly line also reflects the line identity and may be refined in detail for subsequent train orders for other lines.  

 

2.Have any of the disability groups (including wheelchair users) been invited to evaluate and test the 2024 Tube Stock?

 

The design of the new trains was developed with input from TfL’s Independent Disability Advisory Group (IDAG) who were engaged at the interior mock-up stage to refine the details of the design for wheelchair access and facilities.   

 

3.Will the new 2024 Tube Stock be able to have luggage racks fitted to reduce obstruction for passengers?

 

No provision has been made for luggage racks in the new trains. Multi-purpose areas have been included in the vehicles, with Tip-up seating, to provide floor space for luggage and pushchairs to reduce obstructions.

 

4.Will the new 2024 Tube Stock be fully driverless like the DLR?

 

No. TfL has no plans to introduce driverless operation on the London Underground network. The new trains are equipped with a driving cab for manual operation or automatic operation in the future with a Train Operator in the cab, as we have now on other LU lines, when we come to replace the signalling on the Piccadilly line.

 

5.Will the Piccadilly line have new signal systems, including the communications-based train control (CBTC) for the new 2024 Tube Stock?

 

The new trains will be introduced for operation with the existing signalling system. The upgrade of the signalling on Piccadilly line is not currently funded and is one of many priorities for TfL in ongoing discussions with the Government over long-term capital funding for the TfL Network.

 

6.Will the stations serving the new 2024 Tube Stock have new Platform Screen/Edge Doors fitted (including level boarding) in accordance with your original 2014 plan?

 

There are no plans to introduce Platform Screen/Edge Doors at stations served by the 2024TS. 

 

7.When will the 2024 Tube Stock be rolled out to the Bakerloo, Central and Waterloo & City lines, in accordance with your 2014 plan?

 

TfL has time limited options in its contract with Siemens Mobility Limited for the Bakerloo, Central and Waterloo & City lines which are currently not funded. Replacement of the life-expired trains on these are lines are a priority for TfL in our discussions with Government over long-term capital funding for the TfL Network.

 

8.Have there been plans to upgrade Neasden London Underground Train Depot, as part of the rolling stock replacement for the Bakerloo line, including the extension to Lewisham and beyond to Hayes and Beckenham Junction?

 

Planning for the replacement of rolling stock on the Bakerloo line is underway and options for train maintenance and stabling facilities are being considered, including the current depot site at Stonebridge Park. There are no plans to develop Neasden depot to accommodate the Bakerloo line trains and the extension of the line to Lewisham and beyond is a longer-term priority which would be subject to agreement with Government on funding. 

 

9.Are there plans to make the New Tube for London/Siemens Inspiro a standardised deep level rolling stock for all the lines, including the Jubilee, Northern and Victoria lines, just like the S7 and S8 Stock for the Sub Surface lines?

 

There are no plans at present for the replacement of trains on the Jubilee, Northern and Victoria lines which will be the subject of future procurements.

 

If you are not satisfied with this response please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to appeal.

 

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

Tahsin Prima

FOI Case Officer

General Counsel

Transport for London

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